For the tens of thousands of individual insurance agents nationwide, the idea of a health system overhaul聽hits close to home 聳 and work.聽The changes currently under consideration could radically alter how they do business. For example, there could be聽requirements that all individuals have coverage, that employers provide insurance for their workers and聽that聽insurers cover anyone –聽regardless of preexisting conditions. In addition, there could聽be a government-run public plan that might compete with insurance companies.聽

KHN reporter Jaclyn Schiff spoke to two agents聽to find out how they are bracing themselves for the post-reform environment. We edited their remarks.

Sheri Hokin, of Hokin Sternberg Insurance in Northbrook, Ill., has worked in the insurance industry for 27 years and is a former chapter president of the National Association of Health Underwriters. She remembers earlier reform attempts and she’s worried聽her fellow agents are not聽engaged enough in the proceedings.

Q: Do you notice any similarities between what brokers were saying in 1994 and now?

A: I don’t see as much nervousness now. I don’t see my fellow brokers getting involved enough. Financially, the United States was in a different place in 1994, so when the government talked about doing this major universal healthcare,聽it was a possibility. Now, it’s going to cost trillions of dollars. So I think (agents)聽are looking at it and thinking it’s not going to happen. They think it will be watered down.

Q: Are you concerned that health reform will change the way you do business?

A: It will. But in some good ways. I think that an individual mandate is an excellent thing and that there will be guaranteed issue for anyone who wants to get in the system. I do a lot of individual policies and it is frustrating for a number of people who have minor illnesses or expenses and can’t get covered. That’s ridiculous. Guaranteed issue will allow me to spend more time finding the right products and not to have to go through underwriting and this whole program of people answering health questions and then getting turned down for insurance.

In terms of an employer mandate — saying that if you don’t provide coverage you have to pay for it, I think that’s unfair. If companies and manufacturers can’t compete internationally now, they’re certainly not going to be able to compete when they have even more expenses for healthcare.

Q: Do you think the public plan will put insurance companies out of business?

A: Absolutely. It’s unfair. The consumer is going to say, oh, it’s less expensive for me to go on this plan. They don’t realize in the long run, tax-wise, they might be paying more because of it.

Q: Have you seen any brokers doing anything to prepare for the chance that they might not be as much need for health insurance?

A: There does seem to be a trend in the insurance industry. This has been [the case] for several years now, selling a lot of ancillary products, dental, life and vision … because health insurance is getting frustratingly difficult in terms of underwriting and approval.聽

Q: Is there a way to bring about reform to the health system without harming the insurance industry?

A: Oh I think so. Do I have all the answers? No. But I think there is a way of tweaking it If you want more people to afford [insurance], then provide them with subsidies. Give them tax breaks if they buy health insurance. Do other things to encourage them to buy health insurance. There’s an awful lot of people that choose not to buy health insurance because they don’t want to spend the money.

Hank Stern, an insurance agent in Dayton, Ohio,聽is also a , a continuing insurance education instructor and a self-described contrarian. He says that people who are focusing on the 1994 reform experience “are missing the boat completely.” The key, in his view, is being able to adapt.

Q: There appears to have been some fear among health insurance brokers back in 1994. Is there the same level of fear now?

A: The gloom and doomers will probably suffer from a self-fulfilling prophecy. But some of us say [that] in every adversity there is challenge, but there is also opportunity. One has only to look across the pond.聽The British have a national health system. Free health care for everybody. So tell me again why they have private health insurance? You can buy health insurance in Britain. It’s a fairly big business. In Canada, they have nationalized health care. [But they are] starting to see health insurance pop up. Why is that? Because those systems are not self-sustaining. Insurance is a risk management tool. It’s a very good one.

Q: Are you doing anything to prepare for the way the industry might change?

A: Nope. First off nothing’s going to happen [with health reform]. And even聽if something did, it won’t happen overnight. So things get wound down. New products and new strategies come out. Right now, people still get sick. Today somebody will have a heart attack, somebody else will break their arm. You deal with it day by day and you say: if and or when a change comes then I’ll adapt to it. Most agents don’t have a sense of history and they don’t look and say, “OK, we won’t sell major medical. We’ll sell the supplements to the national health plan or whatever.” People need long-term care insurance, disability insurance, critical illness insurance and life insurance.

Q: What would you like to see out of health reform?

A: The reality is none of [the problems] happened overnight. All of this happened over a long period of time. It seems to me that any solution, to be a viable, sustainable, long-term solution, should also happen over a period of time.

Part of the reason health insurance costs too much is because there are a lot of mandated benefits that states [require]. And, frankly, a lot of people don’t understand what insurance should be for. Nobody expects their auto insurance to pay for oil changes and wiper blades. But we expect our health insurance to pay for flu shots and sprained ankles. Have the insurance so that if you have a heart attack, you don’t lose your house, or you get MS, you don’t mortgage your children

Q: How might the public plan and the exchange alter the industry?

A: They’re both non-starters because they are both government-run health care. [With the exchange],聽you put the evaluation and cost functions into government control. The public plan because it becomes the government option, which can control its costs very simply by saying: we’re not paying any more and you don’t have any choice. [An insurance company] can’t compete against the government. And I don’t care how many insurance companies there are all together, they can’t compete against the government.

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