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To Free Doctors From Computers, Far-Flung Scribes Are Now Taking Notes For Them

Podiatrist Dr. Mark Lewis greets his first patient of the morning in his suburban Seattle exam room and points to a tiny video camera mounted on the right rim of his glasses. 鈥淭his is my scribe, Jacqueline,鈥 he says. 鈥淪he can see us and hear us.鈥

Jacqueline is watching the appointment on her computer screen after the sun has set, 8,000 miles away in Mysore, a southern Indian city known for its palaces and jasmine flowers. She copiously documents the details of each visit and enters them into the patient鈥檚 electronic health record, or EHR.

Jacqueline (her real first name, according to her employer), works for San Francisco-based , a startup with 1,000 medical scribes in South Asia and the U.S. The company is part of a growing industry that profits from a confluence of health care trends 鈥 including, now, the pandemic 鈥 that are dispersing patient care around the globe.

Medical scribes first appeared in the as note takers for emergency room physicians. But the practice took off after 2009, when the federal HITECH Act health care providers to adopt EHRs. These were supposed to simplify patient record-keeping, but instead they generated a need for scribes. Doctors find entering notes and data into poorly designed EHR software cumbersome and time-consuming. So scribing is a fast-growing field in the U.S., with the workforce expanding from 15,000 in 2015 to an estimated 100,000 this year.

A 2016 found that doctors spent 37% of a patient visit on a computer and an average of two extra hours after work on EHR tasks. EHR use contributes to physician burnout, increasingly considered a in itself.

Before COVID-19, most scribes 鈥 typically young, aspiring health professionals 鈥 worked in the exam room a few paces away from the doctor and patient. This year, as the pandemic led patients to shun clinics and hospitals, many scribes were laid off or furloughed. Many have returned, but scribes are increasingly working online 鈥 even from the other side of the world.

Remote scribes are patched into the exam room鈥檚 sound via a tablet or speaker, or through a video connection. Some create doctors鈥 notes in real time; others annotate after visits. And some have help from speech-recognition software programs that grow more accurate with use.

While many remote scribes are based in the United States, others are abroad, primarily in India. Chanchal Toor was a dental school graduate facing limited job opportunities in India when a subcontractor to Augmedix hired her in 2015. Some of her scribe colleagues also trained or aspired to become dentists or other health professionals, she said. Now a manager for Augmedix in San Francisco, Toor said scribing, even remotely, made her feel like part of a health care team.

Augmedix recruits people who have a bachelor鈥檚 degree or the equivalent, and screens for proficiency in English reading, listening comprehension and writing, the company said. Once on board, scribes undergo about three months of training. The curriculum includes medical terminology, anatomy, physiology and mock visits.

Revenue has grown this year, and his sales team has grown from four to 14 members, Augmedix CEO Manny Krakaris said. , which employs Indian doctors as remote scribes for their U.S. counterparts, projects 50% revenue growth this year for its scribing business. He said the company employs 4,000 people but declined to share how many are scribes.

Remote scribe 鈥淓dwin鈥 gives internist Dr. Susan Fesmire more time, freeing her from having to finish 20 charts at the end of every day. 鈥淚t was like constantly having homework that you don鈥檛 finish,鈥 she said. With the help of 鈥淓dwin鈥 鈥 Fesmire said he declines to use his real name 鈥 she had the time and energy to become chief operating officer of her small Dallas practice. Edwin works for Physicians Angels, which employs 500 remote scribes in India. Fesmire pays $14 an hour for his services.

Doctors with foreign scribes say notes may need minor editing for dialectal differences and scribes may be unfamiliar with local vocabulary. 鈥淚 had a patient from Louisiana,鈥 said Fesmire, 鈥渁nd Edwin said afterward, 鈥榃hat is chicory, doctor?鈥欌 But she also praised his notes as more accurate and complete than her own.

Kevin Brady, president of Physicians Angels, said their scribes start at $500 to $600 per month, plus health care and retirement benefits, while senior scribes make $1,000 to $1,500 鈥 Employers are to provide employees with health insurance, although many scribes are contractors, and the job site Indeed.com says the average salary for a scribe in India is . Scribes in the U.S. get .

Remote scribing is still a small part of the market. Craig Newman, chief strategy officer of , parent to ScribeAmerica, the largest scribing company in the U.S., said that the firm鈥檚 remote scribing business has increased threefold since the pandemic鈥檚 outset but that 鈥渁 large majority鈥 of the company鈥檚 26,000 U.S. scribes still work in person.

It鈥檚 a highly unregulated industry for which training and certification aren鈥檛 required. The service typically costs physicians , and studies show scribe use is linked to , and 鈥 which can mean more revenue.

For patients, studies suggest scribes have a or effect on satisfaction. Some have privacy concerns, though, and state laws vary on whether a patient must be notified that someone is watching and listening many miles away.

Only 1% of patients refuse a remote scribe when asked by physicians at Massachusetts General Physicians Organization, said Dr. David Ting, the practice鈥檚 chief medical information officer. His group, an IKS Health client, always seeks patient consent, Ting said.

Scribes aren鈥檛 for everyone, though. Janis Ulevich, a retiree in Palo Alto, California, declines her primary care doctor's remote scribe. "Conversations with your doctor can be intimate," said Ulevich. "I don鈥檛 like other people listening in."

Some patients may not have the opportunity to decline. With limited exceptions, federal laws like HIPAA, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, don鈥檛 require doctors to seek a patient鈥檚 consent before sharing their health information with a company that supports the practice鈥檚 work (like a scribe firm), as long as that company signed a contract agreeing to protect the patient鈥檚 data, said Chris Apgar, a former HIPAA compliance officer.

About require all parties in a conversation to agree to be recorded, meaning they require a patient鈥檚 permission. Some states also have special privacy protections for certain groups, like people with HIV/AIDS, or very strict informed-consent or privacy laws, said Matt Fisher, a partner at Massachusetts law firm Mirick O鈥機onnell.

Remote scribing also raises cybersecurity concerns. Reported data breaches are rare, but some scribe companies have lax security, said , CEO of the health care cybersecurity firm Corl Technologies.

The next step in the trend could be no human scribes at all. Tech giants like , and are developing or already marketing artificial intelligence tools aimed at reducing or eliminating the need for humans to document visits.

AI and scribes won鈥檛 eliminate physician burnout that stems from the nature of the health care system, said Dr. Rebekah Gardner, an associate professor of medicine at Brown University who researches the issue. Neither can take on like submitting requests for insurance company approval of procedures, drugs and tests, she said.

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